Discussion:
[TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming Software for tone mode?
'Richard B. McDonald' richardbmcdonald@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 18:06:20 UTC
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Hi!



I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies,
their tone mode is indicated as "CSQ"; which I think means carrier squelch.
In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode
field it has an option for "T Sql"; which I also think means carrier
squelch. So, that's what I am using. That is, does "CSQ" = "T Sql" =
carrier squelch for tone mode?



73,

Richard KK6MRH
Clark Martin kk6isp@comcast.net [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 18:19:11 UTC
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TSql means Tone Squelch, meaning it opens the squelch if it hears the proper CTCSS tone. While most repeaters require a CTCSS sub-audible tone, not all send one out.

Clark Martin
KK6ISP
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies, their tone mode is indicated as “CSQ”; which I think means carrier squelch. In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode field it has an option for “T Sql”; which I also think means carrier squelch. So, that’s what I am using. That is, does “CSQ” = “T Sql” = carrier squelch for tone mode?
Dennis Griffin eagleeyedennis@gmx.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 19:01:07 UTC
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Hi Richard,

I don’t know where you are seeing the CSQ that you mention. However:

Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is selected in the TH-F6.

This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was selected when programming.

RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.

If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory (or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6 will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.

In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode) by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on the TH-F6.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies, their tone mode is indicated as “CSQ”; which I think means carrier squelch. In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode field it has an option for “T Sql”; which I also think means carrier squelch. So, that’s what I am using. That is, does “CSQ” = “T Sql” = carrier squelch for tone mode?
73,
Richard KK6MRH
DANIEL MUSICK danielmusick@msn.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 20:56:00 UTC
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Hello Gentelman


I am setting my TH-F6a up and I understand the last post on setting up the Tone and Ctcss.


My question is I have a computer and radio but I don't have a cable to go from the computer to the radio and I understand that I need something like a TNC in the middle. My computer only has a headphone jack and NO mic jack but it does have usb.


What kind for device are you using ? Where can I get one/with cables?


Does it need a separate power input to it? Or does it draw power from the computer?


Thanks for any help!!


Dan KG6VVN






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Hi Richard,


I don’t know where you are seeing the CSQ that you mention. However:


Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is selected in the TH-F6.


This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was selected when programming.


RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.


If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory (or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6 will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.


In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode) by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on the TH-F6.


73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ


On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:06 AM, 'Richard B. McDonald' ***@gmail.com<mailto:***@gmail.com> [TH-F6A] <TH-***@yahoogroups.com<mailto:TH-***@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies, their tone mode is indicated as “CSQ”; which I think means carrier squelch. In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode field it has an option for “T Sql”; which I also think means carrier squelch. So, that’s what I am using. That is, does “CSQ” = “T Sql” = carrier squelch for tone mode?
73,
Richard KK6MRH
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David Pilon pilondav@yahoo.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 21:30:41 UTC
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Dan,


Just search on Amazon or eBay for a TH-F6a USB programming cable. Should be about $25. Look for one that specifically calls out an FTDI chip. The Prolific chip used in other cables is frequently counterfeit and will cause you no end of driver issues.


You also need the programming software, which is free on Kenwood's website. You can also use the CHIRP software, but I don't recommend it for this radio since you can't save the configuration easily. Some people like RF Systems software but it is pricey.


Dave, K8DTP

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

On Apr 12, 2017, at 4:56 PM, DANIEL MUSICK ***@msn.com mailto:***@msn.com [TH-F6A] <TH-***@yahoogroups.com mailto:TH-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hello Gentelman
I am setting my TH-F6a up and I understand the last post on setting up the Tone and Ctcss.
My question is I have a computer and radio but I don't have a cable to go from the computer to the radio and I understand that I need something like a TNC in the middle. My computer only has a headphone jack and NO mic jack but it does have usb.
What kind for device are you using ? Where can I get one/with cables?
Does it need a separate power input to it? Or does it draw power from the computer?
Thanks for any help!!
Dan KG6VVN
'Richard B. McDonald' richardbmcdonald@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 21:17:42 UTC
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Hi Dennis!



OK, I am seeing this “CSQ” thing in the column headed Tone” in the first table at the below link called “Railroad Operations” for channels AAR 001 - AAR 097. So, what does “CSQ” mean here? How should I program the respective fields in the RT Systems software for this.



http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747



73,

Richard KK6MRH



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Hi Richard,



I don’t know where you are seeing the CSQ that you mention. However:



Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is selected in the TH-F6.



This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was selected when programming.



RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.



If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory (or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6 will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.



In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode) by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on the TH-F6.



73 de Dennis KD7CAC

Scottsdale, AZ



On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:06 AM, 'Richard B. McDonald' ***@gmail.com [TH-F6A] <TH-***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi!

I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies, their tone mode is indicated as “CSQ”; which I think means carrier squelch. In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode field it has an option for “T Sql”; which I also think means carrier squelch. So, that’s what I am using. That is, does “CSQ” = “T Sql” = carrier squelch for tone mode?

73,

Richard KK6MRH


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'Jim Walls' jim@k6ccc.org [TH-F6A]
2017-04-12 22:15:04 UTC
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CSQ is Carrier Squelch. In other words, no tone or DCS required.

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Jim Walls - K6CCC
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming Software for tone mode?
Hi Dennis!
OK, I am seeing this "CSQ" thing in the column headed Tone" in the first table at the below link called "Railroad Operations" for channels AAR 001 - AAR 097. So, what does "CSQ" mean here? How should I program the respective fields in the RT Systems software for this.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747
73,
Richard KK6MRH
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming Software for tone mode?
Hi Richard,
Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is selected in the TH-F6.
This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was selected when programming.
RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.
If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory (or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6 will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.
In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode) by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on the TH-F6.
73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies, their tone mode is indicated as "CSQ"; which I think means carrier squelch. In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode field it has an option for "T Sql"; which I also think means carrier squelch. So, that's what I am using. That is, does "CSQ" = "T Sql" = carrier squelch for tone mode?
73,
Richard KK6MRH
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'Richard B. McDonald' richardbmcdonald@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-13 00:20:35 UTC
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Ah, so in the RT Systems software I should set the tone mode to "none",
right?



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Software for tone mode?





CSQ is Carrier Squelch. In other words, no tone or DCS required.

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Jim Walls - K6CCC
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-------- Original Message --------
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming
Software for tone mode?
Hi Dennis!
OK, I am seeing this "CSQ" thing in the column headed Tone" in the first
table at the below link called "Railroad Operations" for channels AAR 001 -
AAR 097. So, what does "CSQ" mean here? How should I program the respective
fields in the RT Systems software for this.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747
73,
Richard KK6MRH
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming
Software for tone mode?
Hi Richard,
Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the
TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is
selected in the TH-F6.
This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of
the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was
selected when programming.
RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is
used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.
If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory
(or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or
regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6
will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.
In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode)
by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on
the TH-F6.
73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ
On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:06 AM, 'Richard B. McDonald'
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies,
their tone mode is indicated as "CSQ"; which I think means carrier squelch.
In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode
field it has an option for "T Sql"; which I also think means carrier
squelch. So, that's what I am using. That is, does "CSQ" = "T Sql" = carrier
squelch for tone mode?
73,
Richard KK6MRH
_____
Dennis Griffin eagleeyedennis@gmx.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-13 01:13:54 UTC
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Yes, the Tone Mode setting will already be defaulted to None.

73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ
Ah, so in the RT Systems software I should set the tone mode to "none", right?
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming Software for tone mode?
CSQ is Carrier Squelch. In other words, no tone or DCS required.
---
Jim Walls - K6CCC
-------- Original Message --------
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming Software for tone mode?
Hi Dennis!
OK, I am seeing this "CSQ" thing in the column headed Tone" in the first table at the below link called "Railroad Operations" for channels AAR 001 - AAR 097. So, what does "CSQ" mean here? How should I program the respective fields in the RT Systems software for this.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747 <http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747>
73,
Richard KK6MRH
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming Software for tone mode?
Hi Richard,
Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is selected in the TH-F6.
This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was selected when programming.
RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.
If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory (or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6 will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.
In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode) by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on the TH-F6.
73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies, their tone mode is indicated as "CSQ"; which I think means carrier squelch. In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode field it has an option for "T Sql"; which I also think means carrier squelch. So, that's what I am using. That is, does "CSQ" = "T Sql" = carrier squelch for tone mode?
73,
Richard KK6MRH
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'Richard B. McDonald' richardbmcdonald@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-13 13:15:09 UTC
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Thanks Dennis!



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Yes, the Tone Mode setting will already be defaulted to None.



73 de Dennis KD7CAC

Scottsdale, AZ



On Apr 12, 2017, at 5:20 PM, 'Richard B. McDonald'
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Ah, so in the RT Systems software I should set the tone mode to "none",
right?



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To: TH-***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming
Software for tone mode?





CSQ is Carrier Squelch. In other words, no tone or DCS required.

---
Jim Walls - K6CCC
***@k6ccc.org


-------- Original Message --------
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: RE: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming
Software for tone mode?
Hi Dennis!
OK, I am seeing this "CSQ" thing in the column headed Tone" in the first
table at the below link called "Railroad Operations" for channels AAR 001 -
AAR 097. So, what does "CSQ" mean here? How should I program the respective
fields in the RT Systems software for this.
<http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747>
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=7747
73,
Richard KK6MRH
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TH-F6A] Does "CSQ" = "T Sql" in the RT Systems Programming
Software for tone mode?
Hi Richard,
Selecting Tone in the Tone Mode column when programming a memory in the
TH-F6 RTS programmer should produce a T on the display when that memory is
selected in the TH-F6.
This memory will then send the programmed PL tone to open the squelch of
the repeater, allowing access to it, assuming the correct PL tone was
selected when programming.
RTS uses CTCSS as the name for the Tone column, but the selected tone is
used regardless of whether Tone or T Sql is selected in Tone Mode.
If you see a CT (short for CTCSS) on the TH-F6 display for a given memory
(or VFO freq setting) then the TH-F6 will need for a PL tone to be passed or
regenerated by a repeater, or be sent by a simplex caller, before the TH-F6
will open its squelch to be able to hear that transmission.
In a nutshell, a displayed T indicates that a tone is being sent (encode)
by the TH-F6 and CT means a tone is needed (decode) to open the squelch on
the TH-F6.
73 de Dennis KD7CAC
Scottsdale, AZ
On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:06 AM, 'Richard B. McDonald'
Hi!
I am setting up my TH-F6A with a bunch of memories. For these frequencies,
their tone mode is indicated as "CSQ"; which I think means carrier squelch.
In the RT Systems programming software for the TH-F6A, in the tone mode
field it has an option for "T Sql"; which I also think means carrier
squelch. So, that's what I am using. That is, does "CSQ" = "T Sql" = carrier
squelch for tone mode?
73,
Richard KK6MRH
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***@gmail.com>




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Dave Schultheis dave6592@accesscom.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-13 06:26:08 UTC
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Post by 'Richard B. McDonald' ***@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
OK, I am seeing this “CSQ” thing in the column headed Tone” in the first
table at the below link called “Railroad Operations” for channels AAR
001 - AAR 097. So, what does “CSQ” mean here? How should I program the
respective fields in the RT Systems software for this.
You already got your answer that CSQ means carrier squelch, meaning no
encode tone, no decode tone. You should select "none."

This applies to railroad, aviation, weather and marine frequencies.

This also applies to almost all amateur simplex frequencies like 146.52,
etc.

Tone encode is usually used for amateur radio repeaters, tone decode
(which is actually encode and decode) is often used for amateur radio
repeaters but as was pointed out, not all amateur radio repeaters encode
tone on the repeater transmitter, so you should check to make sure
before you program repeater channels.

Many people who monitor public safety (police, fire, medical) use tone
decode so that they don't have to listen to squelch crashes at the end
of every transmission.

You were also referred to Radio Reference which is an excellent source
of public safety radio communications frequencies.

Good luck and happy listening.
--
Dave Schultheis
WB6KHP San Jose
'Richard B. McDonald' richardbmcdonald@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
2017-04-13 13:13:18 UTC
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Thanks Dave!



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Post by 'Richard B. McDonald' ***@gmail.com [TH-F6A]
OK, I am seeing this “CSQ” thing in the column headed Tone” in the first
table at the below link called “Railroad Operations” for channels AAR
001 - AAR 097. So, what does “CSQ” mean here? How should I program the
respective fields in the RT Systems software for this.
You already got your answer that CSQ means carrier squelch, meaning no
encode tone, no decode tone. You should select "none."

This applies to railroad, aviation, weather and marine frequencies.

This also applies to almost all amateur simplex frequencies like 146.52,
etc.

Tone encode is usually used for amateur radio repeaters, tone decode
(which is actually encode and decode) is often used for amateur radio
repeaters but as was pointed out, not all amateur radio repeaters encode
tone on the repeater transmitter, so you should check to make sure
before you program repeater channels.

Many people who monitor public safety (police, fire, medical) use tone
decode so that they don't have to listen to squelch crashes at the end
of every transmission.

You were also referred to Radio Reference which is an excellent source
of public safety radio communications frequencies.

Good luck and happy listening.
--
Dave Schultheis
WB6KHP San Jose
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